11 Behold, days are coming, declares the Lord GOD, When I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine for bread or a thirst for water, But rather for hearing the words of the LORD. When they cry out to the LORD because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them. The New Testament is made up of 27 books that are used in practically all Christian practices today, be it any denomination. Its also worth noting that none of the references or allusions to the Deuterocanon are proceeded by As it is written or a similar statement. On the other hand, the number 6 represents imperfection (as in 666). If so, did the Catholic church, in essence, pick & choose the 7 books of the dueterocanon to keep in the Bible? Thus, we are told to never return to Egypt, in that we are never to return to Idolatry and to the things of the passions. To the same class belong the Book of Tobit, and the Book of Judith, and the Books of the Maccabees. Now, some sects of Jews might have later rejected what God spoke through His prophets, but that doesnt change the fundamental authority of Thus says the Lord just because some people reject what hes said. Thats not surprising because the first time the Old Testament canon was officially recorded was the Council of Florence in 15th century. we are not acting irregularly, if from the books, The canonical books of the Old Testament are twenty-two, the Old Testament was settled by Ezra the priest into twenty-two books, Of the Old Testament there are twenty-two books, there are two and twenty books of the Old Testament, There are two and twenty books of the Old Testament, that there might be as many books in the Law as there are letters, New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia article on Ecumenical councils, explanation of what jot and Tittle mean, Is the Catholic Church Infallible? The Septuagint was not translated until the 2nd and 1st century BC in alexandria. The alternative would have been to pay scribes to write new copies. How many books did the Catholics take out of the Bible? https://www.gotquestions.org/errors-Quran.html. How many books are in the Holy Bible? The Catholic Bible contains a total of 73 books, 46 in the Old Testament . Its important to note that the Catholic and Protestant New Testaments are identical. In preparation for this, a OT scriptures available to the Ethnos is a logical move in order to move forward the great work of the Apostles. Also, you make an interesting point. Many people who live in America came from Mexico and thus speak Spanish as a first language. What is the longest chapter in the Bible? One from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not put a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. Jewish children where schooled in Hebrew and studied the Hebrew scriptures. How could the Church have added them at the Council of Trent that began 91 years later? You could not say the true church was there if they could not even get the correct books in the canon. The Catholics say the Septuagint contains the 7 extra books that are the topic of this article. Im not sure why the Catholic Church accepts those specific seven and not the others. Many non-Catholic Christians like to accuse Catholics of adding Books to the Bible at the 16th c. Council of Trent. The Egypt of ramses and moses was now under control of the Helenistic empire as seen here https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4b/6c/dc/4b6cdc492f87e0042d16c4b89b9084ac.jpg. In the Old Testament there are 39 books and in the New Testament there are 27. (and much of it is) None of that proves the deuterocanon belongs in the Bible. Therefore, they created a system of learning to train their kids and stuff them with Torah like an ox.. (and further down, Im going to make a strong case that Jesus didnt use the Septuagint). Their decisions were only binding within their sphere of influence; they werent binding on the whole Catholic church. Its important also to note that the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls included the book of Tobit and the book of Sirach, proving that the people back then thought them canonical, because they were found with the book of Isaiah and other Old Testament books. I did mention there was some evidence that Jerome changed his mind. The canon of Scripture refers to the final collection . It literally connected Cannan Egypt and Assyria. These seven works are Tobit, Judith, the first and second Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (or Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach), and Baruch. What do you mean by that? That is different from dwelling so I question the line of reasoning that Jewish men visited Egypt ergo the Septuigint is false. Why would Jesus use the Septuagint (Greek) when his audience had already memorized large portions of the Hebrew scriptures? Very interesting and very well put together! The first was the Palestine canon which is identical to the Protestant Old Testament. You shall see this place no more. I am merely saying the canon of the Old Testament was very much a matter of debate. For starters, lets all get on the same page. From rosaries, home decor, books & more, find what you're looking for. The Law of the Old Testament is considered as divided into twenty-two books, so as to correspond to the number of letters. (Tractate on Psalms, prologue 15), Saint Athanasius of Alexandria (also called Athanasius the great, died 373 AD) also said there were 22 books in the Old Testament Canon in his 39th Festal Letter. The deuterocanonical books (from the Greek meaning "belonging to the second canon") are books and passages considered by the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Churches, and the Assyrian Church of the East to be canonical books of the Old Testament, but which Protestant denominations regard as apocrypha.They date from 300 BC to 100 AD, mostly from 200 BC to 70 . Notice: up into the 12th century (!) But the count is actually much closer. Apocrypha means hidden and deuterocanonical mean second canon. No, and Heres Proof, Yes, The Bible CLEARLY Says Sex Outside of Marriage is Wrong, A Complete, 100% English Introduction to Koine Greek (with Examples in English), Patronage and Reciprocity: The Context of Grace in the New Testament, Is the Catholic Church Infallible? The book Tobit says the same thing. 14 When you come to the land which the Lord your God gives you, and you possess it and dwell in it, and then say, I will set a king over me, like all the nations that are round about me; 15 you may indeed set as king over you him whom the Lord your God will choose. Peace be with you. All materials are posted on the site strictly for informational and educational purposes! To see for yourself, click here. This goes double because of the high regard in which they held the scriptures. The apostacy of the Jews prior to 70 CE, and their demonic possession, makes the Hebrew scripture corruption likely (esp prophetic portions) as part of the the outcome after Jesus death, and indeed this is an argument in using them as there was not evidence of the corruption of the Septuigint canonical books, only snobbery. A Catholic Bible consists of the whole 73-book canon recognized and accepted by the Catholic Church, inclusive of the deuterocanonical books. The Vatican Church or Roman catholic church has been associated with deception for ages. Its the because of her we all die phrase thats patently wrong. They would literally follow in the dust of their rabbi desiring to emulate him in all of his mannerisms. It accepts and venerates their books, whose titles are as follows. The following list is the 7 books that the Catholics include that the Protestants do not. Dios los ilumine por la verdad y solo el lo ara. Bible The New Testament, as usually received in the Christian Churches, is made up of twenty-seven different books attributed to eight different authors, six of whom are numbered among the Apostles (Matthew, John, Paul, James, Peter, Jude) and two among their immediate disciples (Mark, Luke). Alexanders generals jostled for supremacy over parts of his empire. According to the Catholics, the Septuagint was the Bible that Christ used. (About eight years before Artaxerxes died.). (Saint) Melito of Sardis who died in 180 AD said the following in a letter he wrote to Onesimus, Melito to his brother Onesimus, greeting:, As you have often, prompted by your regard for the word of God, expressed a wish to have some extracts made from the Law and the Prophets concerning the Saviour, and concerning our faith in general, and have desired, moreover, to obtain an accurate account of the Ancient Books, as regards their number and their arrangement,. So by this logic for 1200 years the true Christian faith was either invisible to the world or non existent. Heres but one quick article I found demonstrating profound and irreconcilable historical errors in the Quran. Amar a Dios sobre todas las cosas, y amar al prjimo es los mimos por ser crianza del SEOR PADRE. The following is a list of seven works that Catholics consider essential and those Protestants do not. The diaspora Jews DID accept those 7 books. Further, many of the early church fathers didnt accept them (including a Pope in the 7th century). One of them will be called the City of Destruction. With regard to the birth of a daughter being a loss, its not my impression that he is speaking about the birth of a daughter in a general sense, but rather an undisciplined daughter in the same sense as the son in the first part of the verse. Or what is the benefit of circumcision? This level was from age thirteen to fifteen, where they continued studying and memorizing the entire Tanach (in other words, the complete Old Testament). The Church used the 73 Book canon from 382 AD until 1520. Ill edit this comment and add a link to the article after I publish it. Or is it rather not more important that these parables teach important theological lessons than it is for them to be 100% historically accurate? It would be impossible for Luther to have based anything on the council of Jamnia because the idea of the Council of Jamnia was first introduced by Heinrich Graetz in 1871. The Catholic world is now experiencing a kind of catharsis, when passions have subsided, and everything that was written earlier began to be perceived in the light of recent events. 8 Prayer is good when accompanied by fasting, almsgiving, and righteousness. I am not being rude or belligerent but I really would like someone to explain calmly and in simple language because I am slow Please tell me how that is not absurd to say the Church got the 73 book Canon wrong based on Jesus promise to be with the Church to the end of the age and to send the Spirit of Truth to guide the church in All TRUTH. This level is concluded with a Bar Mitzvah for the boy, to welcome him into the community as a full member. Did you know that the same Jeremiah who was told about not going back to Egypt, died in Egypt? Can you imagine having memorized the Torah by the age of twelve?! Synopsis of Sacred Scripture (c. 500 A.D.), The canonical books of the Old Testament are twenty-two, equal in number to the Hebrew letters; for they have so many original letters., Isidore of Seville (600 A.D.) said the Old Testament was settled by Ezra the priest into twenty-two books that the books in the Law might correspond in number with the letters. (Liber de Officiis), Leontius (610 A.D.), Of the Old Testament there are twenty-two books. (De Sectis), John of Damascus (730 A.D.): Observe further that there are two and twenty books of the Old Testament, one for each letter of the Hebrew alphabet. (An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, 4.17), Nicephorus (9th century A.D.), There are two and twenty books of the Old Testament. (Stoichiometry), Jesudad, Bishop of Hadad, Syria (852 A.D.) recognized a canon of twenty-two books. But this certainly cannot be reduced to something as simple as the canon of the Jews.. What about the Apostles? I did some looking this morning based on what you suggested and found some interesting things. At the outset you pose that some Church Fathers and Catholic Saints call the 7 books in question apocryphal but do not list those names or where it is recorded that they called them apocryphal. The Protestant Bibles have 66 books, 7 less than the Catholic Bibles. Did not Eve originate in Man? So 22 books equals 24 books equals 39 books. Likewise, Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi were not only recognized prophets, but they also wrote the books of the Bible which bear their names. 73 BOOKS OF THE CATHOLIC BIBLE www.marionmannaproject.com/books-of-the-bible PENTATEUCH Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy HISTORICAL In 2 Maccabees 15:12-17, we learn about how saints in heaven pray for us and help us out here on earth. jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_259_2_2').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_259_2_2', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], }); Got Questions has an excellent (and very short) explanation of what jot and Tittle mean (opens in a new tab) in this passage. Frequent question: Where is seek God early in the morning in the Bible. The book might be great, you just wouldnt consider it scripture. The Church didnt consider the Deuterocanon scripture until quite late; no more than a few hundred years between the 12th century and Trent. These fathers refer to the Egypt Of The Passions. Beyond that, the Septuagint was created in direct violation of the command of God. Content. Surely this means that there is some alternative interpretation. For its necessary for there to be factions among you so the genuine ones among you might become evident. 21 Terms. Further, remember that in the Old Testament, the Israelites actually lost the Torah Gods law so completely that no one had heard it when it was read to king Josiah. Likewise, the Jews needed to know Greek to get along in the world of Business. So the real church with the correct Bible was not on earth if the Protestant claim is true. Nearly all of the Deuterocanonical books were written during the 400 silent years. Then 39 +27 = 66, the number of books in the Bible! Apocrypha: 152,185 words. It was likely written around 430 BC according to the Bible timeline on BibleHub.com. And note that Jews in other parts of the world who werent around to hear the Council of Jamnias decision in A.D. 100 include to this day those extra 7 books in their canon. Infallible means free from the possibility of being wrong. Thats a reasonable argument if you believe Christ used the Septuagint. Likewise, both Hebrews and Sirach are correct at the same time. The Catholics say that the Bible that Christ and the Apostles used was the Alexandrian Canon or Septuagint. I suggest that you re-read the section under the heading How Did The Jews Arrive At Their Canon?. The full list of books regarded as a second canon is a lot longer. They were included in our Bibles for more than 1500 years. (this list includes Baruch, but none of the other deuterocanonical books). The New American Bible, which is the version most commonly used by Catholics, presents the two as separate books and thus counts a total of 73 books. It will be a sign and witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. Within the ancient world, the Egyptians were viewed as the most craven pagans, as they worshipped animals. For instance, was there really a rich man who died and went to hell, and then saw his poor servant in the bosom of Abraham? There is another division which existed in Jesus day and for many centuries afterward. Most Protestant Bibles included the deuterocanonical Books until about 1815, when the British and Foreign Bible Society discontinued the practice! However, that only accounts for the first 5 books. Catholics believe that the Protestant Reformers deleted certain works, which had been deemed part of Sacred Scripture for a long time, because they disapproved of what was written in those writings. There are 80 books in the King James Bible; 39 in the Old Testament, 14 in the Apocrypha, and 27 in the New Testament. Since she obtains her husband, I guess her father doesnt have to; the suitors just show up, with bride-price in hand. The Catholic Church claims to be infallible in matters of faith and morals. Though some ascribe Ruth and Cinoth [Lamentations] to the hagiographa, and count these books in their computed number; thus there would be twenty-four books of ancient law. Christianity spread into Egypt during that time and then 300 years later Alexandria was formed by a new empire and it wasnt until after all of this that scribes wrote the Septuagint. Jesus words were most likely Aramaic yes? Jerome uses almost the exact same wording again in Op Hieron. But up until Jesus died, the Jews were the ones God entrusted with His Scriptures. The majority of Protestant Bibles have 66 books, 39 of which are located in the Old Testament, and 27 of which are located in the New Testament. But translation done in 286bc means only old testament chapters were added. Ergo, the Septuigint translators stayed for a limited time, or visit. Catholics will often say that the canon of Scripture was decided early. in The Moral Teaching he writes: With reference to which particular we are not acting irregularly, if from the books, though not Canonical, yet brought out for the edification of the Church, we bring forward testimony. Written under the supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit by laymen and scholars, commoners and nobility, the Bible is as unique as it is profound, containing 66 ancient books that have shaped laws, influenced culture and inspired billions to faith over three millennia. You can read the full text of the Council of Florence here, but Ive copy/pasted the relevant portion below. 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